Tuesday, June 2, 2009

The First Vampire Legends of Lilith

This myth begins at the very creation of man and of Lilith (the first woman created for Adam).

So God created man and woman in his own image and blessed them. Many have made her a model for feminism, because when Adam would not relent in his domination of her, she grew so angry that she uttered the Holy name of God and vanished.

God then had to make Eve for Adam, making her of his rib bone, so that she would be attached to him and not leave as Lilith had done.

This article has been moved ~ The First Vampire and Legends of Lilith

For much more information about Lilith and the legends and myths check out Who Was Lilith?

134 comments:

  1. Wow! great theory.

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  2. where in the world did you hear this version? i've never heard of a lilith before and i would very much like to know the name of this city. this story sounds very much like the queen of the damned and the vampire series by anne rice. non the less i found this quite interesting. thanks

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  3. bracket actually wrote this on another story but I will quote him here "The Kabbalah states that she was created before Eve, with Adam, but wouldn’t be submissive during sex so was kicked out of Eden. She then subsequently became a demon.'

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  4. The Caretaker

    Thank you for quoting me.

    Chetan

    Could this city be Iram, the city of pillars?

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  5. Trolldoll1681
    According to hebrew/Jewish text: When god created Adam, he was lonely, so God created Lilith from the same dust from which Adam was molded. But they quarrelled. Adam (The proverbial domineering male) wished to rule over Lilith. But the Lilith (A militant feminist) was also proud n willful, claiming equality with Adam because she was created from the same dust. So she left the Adam n fled the garden. And then God had to make Eve for Adam. And this time god made her from his rib bone, rather than dust.

    bracket
    Legend says that after meeting with Lilith Cain moved to the land called land of Nod [which means 'shaking' or 'trembling'] , on the east of Eden. Cain mentioned in bible as having a no. Of legitimate children with an unnamed wife. One of them was Enoch. So when Cain built a city ,n called the name of the city , after name of his son Enoch.
    Three vampires of second generation were
    -Enoch the wise
    -Irad the strong
    -Zilah the beautiful . .
    Some say Cain named his city after this Enoch.
    But the name of the city is same. ENOCH.

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  6. Thanks so much for posting this. I'm really interested in Vampires and their origins. I have heard of Lilith but didn't know she was the mother of all demons.
    It was a really interesting read and I hope you post more of these stories. Thanks again.

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  7. It is so good to hear that others believe Lilith to be the first woman. I'm so sick of everyone saying Eve was the first woman.

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  8. i am sorry this is the first time i have to bow out this is the first time i can't believe what i'm reading. its probably the way i was raised oh those babtist. i have not ever heard that story in the bible but it was writen by men over 2,000 yrs ago go figure write a book , in this day and age all we want is peace....................................................

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  9. The story starts with "This myth begins..." so maybe it isnt exactly true as it stands but I believe there is some truth in all myths if we can dig deep enough into it.

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  10. Thank you care taker for believing in myths.

    trolldoll1682
    Thank you for your suggestion, n what I would like to tell you is that I'm not a great visionary or philosopher. I'm just putting forth my views on vampire n their beginnings. As I told in my previous comment that I got the information from hebrew/jewish text. If you don't believe me you can find more on google.
    Or check the book 'HEBREW MYTHS: The book of genesis' by Robert Graves n Raphael Palai

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  11. trolldoll1681

    I'd recemmend looking up Lilith on wikipedia, they're bound to have alot of info on her.

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  12. Chetan,

    I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination. I did read somewhere about Lilith, in Jewish Mysticism I think. Apparently she would not submit to Adam, and she left. Don't know what happened to her. I know a little bit about Cain, from a Biblical perspective. Apparently his brother, Abel, offered a blood sacrifice to God, which God accepted. I think Cain offered a sacrifice of some crops that he had harvested. Seems God did not approve? Cain became angry with Abel, and killed him. For that, God marked Cain with a mark/scar in his forehead I think..., God stated that no man should harm Cain, and Cain became an outcast. I do believe he and his progeny built the first city. Seems Cain had a lot of potential, but couldn't get it right with God.

    jeff

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  13. what i dont understand is why did she become the mother of all demons? how was she a demon if she left adam?

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  14. that's complete BS, because there was never a Lilith in the bible and for christians out there that really makes us mad. i'm no bible thumper in any means, but if u think that there were VAMPIRES, mythical creatures of ancient times in the bible, and you think that this stuff actually happened, then you've gotta be high on something. Your theory, besides the "facts" you put, is not stable at all.

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  15. Hi Jenna I dont think it was said anywhere that it came from the Bible. Also the article actually starts out right from the beginning telling you that it is a myth. Also in the writers first comment he tells us that it comes from the Kabbalah.

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  16. it doesn't matter where this story came from, i think it fascinating. think about the dinosaurses, they aren't in the bible and they were here, where were adam and eve then?? now that i've read up on these people, i'm gettin curious about alternate beginnings of man and jeff is right about cain and abel

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  17. Jeff
    What you read is right. .
    Cain was a farmer while Able was a shepherd. At the harvest time Cain brought the God a gift from his farm produce n Abel brought his first born sheep n presented to the God. He accepted Abel's offering but not Cain's. This made Cain very angry . . .so he killed his brother in his farm n became first murderer in history. . .
    Afterwards God got these information n banished Cain from his farm. . Then Cain said,'My punishment is greater than i can bear. You banished me from my field but everyone who sees me will try to kill me. . Then God replied ,'They will not kill you, I'll give seven times your punishment he they does.'. . N put identifying mark on Cain as a warning not to kill him. . . .

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  18. Jenna . . Let me tell you one thing that bible was written by someone over many years ago. . . But right now we have many versions of bible. So we'll never know that which one is true n which one is wrong. . . .
    And i'm continuously saying that the Lilith thing came from hebrew text. . . . N I'll say refer the book which i mentioned in my last post. .

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  19. Jenna

    Actually Lilith is in the bible, she's only mentioned as a demon though.

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  20. Bracket can you give me the chapter in the Bible where she is mentioned?

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  21. Lilith is an entity of physichal love

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  22. a demon yes but one you can evoke on fridays the hour of venus

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  23. its in exodus the second book in the bible thats where the worst sin of man begins

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  24. Lilith is a female Mesopotamian night demon believed to harm male children. In Isaiah 34:14, Lilith is a kind of night-demon or animal, translated as onokentauros; in the Septuagint, as lamia; "witch" by Hieronymus of Cardia; and as screech owl in the King James Version of the Bible. In the Talmud and Midrash, Lilith appears as a night demon.

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  25. Chetan, Absolutly correct I have The Jerusulam Bible (it's accepted by the Catholic Church) and the name lilth is in Isahia 34:14. But my bible is in French, the great owl is refered to a serpant, and the wild beasts are wild cats that meet the hyenas, the saytre calls the saytre. Most bibles were translated from French.

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  26. I'm however not really sure of the theory that she is a night demon who harms male children, isn't that a succabis? In Europe she is the demon of physical love.

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  27. Karen

    succabis go after grown men and have sex with them to breed. Others say they do it to get their soul or to make them sin.

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  28. Bracket, but wouldn't that just reinforce the story...........that lilith is the demon of physical love. cause she wouln't give it up to Adam? So she wants to torment all men.

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  29. Lilith was willing to give it up to Adam so long as she was on top & he lay beneath her. Angry that Adam wouldn't she then flew away...God sent 3 angels to bring her back. She refused so she was damned to lose 100 of her children a day. And she herself declared that she was created to harm neonates. If a man were to stray & become unfaithful then Lilith was the one Blamed.

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  30. three angels were Sanvi, Sansanvi and Semangelaf . Lilith rebuffed the angels by cursing them. While by the Red Sea Lilith became a lover to demons and producing 100 babies a day. The angels said that God would take these demon children away from her unless she returned to Adam. When she did not return, she was punished accordingly. And, God also gave Adam the docile Eve.

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  31. Bracket,
    Lilith was not "kicked" out of Eden....She left at her own will!

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  32. Amatrix

    Sorry for taking so long to respond.

    Different books have different stories of how she left.

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  33. Where did you found that theory? I've never heard of someone named Lilith before,all I know were Adam and Eve, I just wanted to know if someone really discovered a vampire who's on the side of the good.

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  34. One thing everyone has neglected here is how did demons existed before
    adam and eve were kicked out of the garden? The bible mentions demons only before
    the story of noah and the ark and there after. Before it only mentions the devil as the evil one but doesn't mention any demon up until noah's ark when some angels saw the woman on earth and wanted to have sex with them. They made bodies for themselves
    and came to earth. Thats how demons came to exist. Before there were no demons.

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  35. I imagine cause Lilith was the first wife of adam and it was her that got kicked out first before adam and eve, so then she exsited before adam and eve got kicked out

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  36. hey peoples. From what I hav learnt there are many different versions of the bible and the catholic church has been known to change the bible for their own purpose (sori flunkd spellin at school). In some bibles you will find mention of Lilith and in others you might not. She was the first daughter of GOD she well couldnt stand Adam (dont blame her really)and buggard off. She does return later in I think in Jacobs time cant remember havnt read the bible in ages (got sick of hiprocrates, lol wanted to say sumthin else.). If you read the bible you will find mention of other Gods too not just demons and Angels and i dont mean just the ones he dont want you to worship. genesis 1:26 God said " now WE will make humans, and they will look like US. hehehe had to put that in there sori. Lilith is also called the Godess of dreams I remember that from somewhere just cant remember where lol. if you really want to know more about her tho look under Pagen God's and Godess's she is one.

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  37. Hello, I have learned many new things reading your comments. Some of which I agree and some of which I do not. I do beleive that lilith was the first woman. I do not beleive under any circumstances that there has ever been more than one god and this saffire girl she says sorry I flunked the spelling in school so how can we possibly go from anything she says? the bible also is not full of hypocrits none of us can be 100% sure of what happened back then because none of us were there and words are ever changing. but just like humans we go out and try to understand everything and make truth of what we cannot explain or understand. I came to this website out of curiosity. I am wondering about vampires.... the first vampire were they ever real? you see how this conversation has turned into a religious argument? if anyone can answer my questions i would greatly appreciate it and such as lilith I too enjoy being on top haha just thought I would throw that out there incase anyone was in the mood for a little female domination for a while

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  38. thank you caretaker for taking care of this situation. i'm sure you have a great many responsibilities when it comes to managing a site as complex as this. i shall continue to read and respond to the wonderful world of the paranormal that you let us share.

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  39. When I first heard about Lillith I was dumbfounded. I know the Bible leaves many things unsaid and/or suggests things and then moves on leaving questions in the readers minds. Many of the "patriarchs" (i.e. Abraham, Lot, King Saul, and King David) all did things that would be greatly disapproved of today and yet God blessed them greatly. God is qouted in the Bible as saying "let us" and "we" and I believe he is speaking to us as we existed in spirit form before we came here. It is all very confusing sometimes. I do know that there was a war in heaven and Luficer and 1/3 of the host was cast out. Since "misery loves company" Luficer has been kicking up his heels ever since and causing as much chaos and disorder as he can and then when we get it in the teeth we blame God for it - start putting the blame where it belongs - with Lucifer. Since I do believe in Lucifer and his "buddies" then I also believe that there are things out there that bump in the night and they don't mean to treat us well when they can get their hands on us. I have never told this story before and I hope by telling it that I don't draw this thing back to me. When stationed in Bavaria - Germany - one night when I was in the apartment alone I was awakened by such a sense of fear that I feared for my life. Something had come up on to my second floor balcony. I could hear "it" investigating the balcony and the things I had out there. Then it began to investigate the steel shutter that came down over the windows and door of the balcony. It tried lifting and ratteling the shutter and I began to pray for protection. Then I felt as if something were trying to coax me into raising the shutter from the inside. I just kept praying and finally it gave up and went away. I have never told anyone, not even my husband of 30 plus years who is my best friend. If there is good in the world then there is evil and you better believe it and learn how to protect yourself from it no matter what somebody else calls it, i.e. vampire, werewolf, demon - it is all evil and you have to learn how to fight it or give up and give yourself over to it. I believe in God and Jesus, but I also believe in evil. signed, busyhands.

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  40. Man! now thatz scary! so is it true that Demons still around

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  41. I have ti beg to differ,vampires can go out into the light,I have met on let just say she was very nice & shy.most of the femail one are very shy creatures at best,they want potect there privacy that I know of from personal opion,what surpise about her she love me very I thought vampire wer're cold & clinical not true,they are very picky whom they chose in their life.sign.Mr.James,of Ashland,,& I will not name her she doesn't like stalkers very much & I advice for them get a life.get out & get a human girl for once,IN THERE,LIVElast part is my opion & is not meant to ofend anyone,I care for this girl,& I WANT TO PROTECT HER PRIVACY VERY MUCH,I BELIVE THER HIBEBATION PERIOD IS THE SAME AS ANIMAIL VAMPIRE BAT THEY SLEEP FOR 7 MONTHS & WAKE UP AROUND IN APRIL NOT 500 YEARS MYTH BUSTER #1.I DON'T KNOW WHEN I WILL SEE MY NEW GIRFRIEND SHE MAY WAKE UP EARLY IN FEB.,THOUGH?ALL I KNOW IS I SEEN HER COFFIN IN A PURPLE CRYSTAL BALL IT VANISH REAL QUICK.JAMES,OUT.ASH.,OR.,OUT

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  42. Dont forget about pan in greece he was zues son with a nymph he wasnt a god and he looked very much like satan and he lured young women to drink his blood and his blood tasted of wine

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  43. I didn'tknow that about Pan. When I took Latin in high School we had a unit on the Greek and Roman "gods" and never once was this told about Pan. We were told he was mischevious and liked to play tricks but his cartoon personna (a playful goat playing the "pan pipes") was played up. So he was really evil? Man, not too much shocks me anymore! Robbie

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  44. Lovecub

    Actually, Pan was a god. He is recognized as the god of fields, groves, and wooded glens. Because of this, Pan is connected to fertility and the season of spring. In ancient Greece, he is considered the god of theatrical criticism. He is not a nymph, his mother is. It's never explicitly told who his father was, some myth says it's Zeus while others say it could be Hermes or Dionysus. Also, the stories of having women drink his blood can only be traced back only to the 1930's.

    His similar look to satan means nothing. It's a known fact that religion evolves using concepts from the past.

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  45. my husband keeps mentioning i should read the dead sea scrolls.is lillith mentiond anywere in there? any info on this would be great.thank you

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  46. jennieboo - I would suggest that you read this --> Am I missing something? Where art thou Lilith? You will be surprised to find out that Lilith is actually mentioned in the Bible!

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  47. Jennieboo - go to the public library and walk through the section of non-fiction, call or book numbers 0001 to 299.9 and you will find all kinds of books about the Bible, versions of the Bible, books about other religions and "cults" and the Dead Sea Scrolls, and Buddah and everything else. If they don't have it, they can get it for you. All you have to do is pay the return postage. If it is a magazine article all you have to do is pay the xerox fee for copying it and they will mail it right to your house. Of course there is always the internet.

    A lot of people ask me why I bother reading all this stuff that is not printed by my church. It's not that I don't trust my church , and I'm not looking to go to another religion BUT I want to know what is out there. I want to know what was written in the past, I want to learn and share my experiences - so I read, read, read! Robbie

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  48. i hear you robbie nothing wrong in that and thanks to you and caretaker for the interesting info and links.i will certinally look into this. i mean ive studied the basics of the worlds religions in 9th grade global 1 but that was a long time ago might be time to freshen up.

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  49. Wow i didnt get a thing....:]

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  50. Lilith was also the first woman vampire in a novel written by Nora Roberts "Morrigans Cross". Great novel, though i think it's also the first book in a three book series. Seriously cheatan find yourself a publisher.Now is the time to make a killing off of vampire books

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  51. Nice story, first time i heard of Lilith. Anyway if Lilith was created before Eve, then for sure Lilith is not a woman. Maybe she was a demon from the beginning? Because Eve was the first woman according to the Bible. she was called a woman because she was taken out of man (base from Genesis 1:23)

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  52. im a beginner with vampires and stuff so i don't really know all of the stories but i would relly like to find out about it because i think its really interesting stuff!

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  53. Michelle,
    Vampires are not real. Just enjoy the entertainment value they give! :)

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  54. hey thanx for the reply i know their not real but i want to ask you what you believe is real and why so please reply me!

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  55. Michelle,
    I believe in ghosts and other beings. I think because I have had experiences myself that can not be explained. I just don't believe there are vampires that live forever. I'm sorry. If someone WERE immortal, I think it would have been discovered. I believe there are individuals out there that BELIEVE they are vampires. But they are just different individuals searching for something and NOT immortal and all that.
    Here is a question. HOW can someone be born a vampire? Isn't the main fact of being a vampire or "becoming" a vampire that you DIE and come back?

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  56. hey darstarr, after i thinked about what you said and i think your right, a vampire would only be a vampire if it at died and came to life again and about the ghosts and stuff, i would like to know if you believe in the whole canting a name into a mirror and the ghost apears thing like bloody mary and the candyman?!

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  57. Michelle,
    No I don't believe in Bloody Mary or the Candyman. Those are just urban legends in my book.
    On another post about Vampires someone said that how do you KNOW they aren't real when they have names. That they had to exist in order to have names and such, and my answer to that was Is the Jolly Green Giant real? And I will add, there are MANY things out there that have come from the minds of imaginative people!
    Do you people Frankenstein is real?

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  58. Michelle,
    You seem like a smart cookie. And I am glad that you DO ask questions. That is the only way we find answers, now isn't it. ;)
    I think there are some very lonely people out there that feel different for whatever reasons and are looking to "fit" in somewhere. They may have dark thoughts because they are unhappy and are drawn to the whole dangerous "Vampire" world, but it isn't real.
    Another example - There have been MANY things written about great Wizards and such - King Arthur, Harry Potter ect. - Do you think Wizards and witches like those ever existed?
    and if so, with such amazing powers - where did they go???
    You take care Michelle, and keep looking for those answers!

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  59. hey darstarr how are you, i just wanted to say hey and to tell you that i don't really believe wizards and stuff exist but if it did i would not mind because it sounds really cool, i don't know about you?! so chat later see you!

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  60. I first entered this site after reply # 64 was posted. So, some of my response is a bit late.
    Almost all of the world's cultures have legends about vampire like creatures. Does that mean they are real? Who knows. It has been suggested that people developed legends to explain the things they did not understand. Even the Gods themselves have been assigned to this theory. I said Gods instead of God because I'm discussing many cultures. I know this upsets many christians who always fall back on the argument " if it's not in the Bible, it isn't true." The Bible is a collection of writings with many authors. It only contains the writings that "the church" selected for inclusion. The Old Testament is a collection of Hebrew writings. It is far from all inclusive. Many other books of Hebrew writings exist that were not selected for inclusion. The New Testament is a collection of writings made after the crusifiction of Jesus. There were hundreds of books written about Jesus and his teachings. Some, the Gospels, told the story of Jesus. The others were essays expressing the beliefs of early christians or books of instructions on how to live a life as Jesus would had wanted. These writings were judged by "the church" to determine which would be included in the Bible. Of course, only the writings that agreed with the beliefs of those in power at the time were included.
    The Bible speaks of the existence of angels and identifies Satan as a fallen angel. Other writings tell us of a war in which many of the angels were expelled from heaven. It was these fallen angels that Lilith mated with . Her children were demons and other evil creatures.

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  61. dont get me wrong...where did you hear this one...ever since i hav ent encountered that name(lilith)

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  62. Anonymous, there are all sorts of links and references to the story of Lilith here

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  63. This is amazing wow i nver knew this

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  64. From Islam the Quran also discusses in detail beings made from smokeless fire (aka Djinn)when man was made from dust. Now as I understand it these beings were never meant to live in the same dimension as humans but like us they make their own choices so some crossed over and live among us sometimes as us but most of the time as other animals - they apparently have the power to influence us sometimes for the better and other times for the worse as they can be either good or evil.

    I've never encountered so much information on these beings other than from the Quran - it has several chapters deicated to their existance. Too much to divulge here but its worth investigating.

    I'm not sure until I see something I can validate it with - this includes all of the above and vampires. I have always found all mythical beings interesting because I think all myths are based on some truth.

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  65. Caretaker,
    Thanx for this amazing site only for vampire stuff....
    n also thanx for putting pictures in story.

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  66. Why is it abrahamic faiths think they are the start to everything. This is just 1 "creation" myth no more and no less valid than the other 100 or so vampyre creation myths.

    This is an asumption made by the author that is probally christian or raised on christianity. There are many more vampire creation myths that are just as valid. To use the abrahamic one as the one and true origin myth is pure speculation.

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  67. Celtic Druid
    I suggest that you take a second look at Chetans article here. He did not state or even infer that "abrahamic one as the one and true origin myth".

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  68. I think that the fact that the vampire “myth” is apparently birthed out of any religion at all is fascinating in and of itself. I myself have no faith in any religion and I don’t believe in any “god.” I don’t need a religion to know what’s in my heart and what I want for my life. certainly no religion ever did more than confuse and oppress me so I'm done with all that nonsense long ago. even reading through all this and seeing religion’s role in it further cements my thoughts about it.

    Note from Admin: Read the rest of Evie's comment at The Vampire Myth

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  69. Vamp Truth,
    It is implied, due to presenting only one mythos as the origin. It stated that Cain was the first vamp. Now according to many other myths that is not true. He presented it as fact. He states "According to vampire legend..." this is just one of many. He makes it sound as it is the authoritave legend and the only true one. The only point I was trying to make is this myth is but 1 of hundreds that are just as valid.

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  70. Celtic Druid, I do agree with you "this myth is but 1 of hundreds that are just as valid" I was just saying that the writer did not present or imply that this is the one and only truth. If you would like to write a bit about some of the other myths I would be very glad to publish it here.

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  71. Impressive theory. Seems linked to the Bible.

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  72. Celtic Druid,
    firstly i,m not christian or raised on christianity....
    you are right, that this is not the only myth about the vampires...
    i'd read many of the myths n this one is the most ancient n interesting one that i found..
    n for your sake i'll definitely write about other myths..

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  73. first I'm not christian,....
    but i really curious everything about vampires, the myth, opinion, etc
    my question is there any rites to be a vampire?

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  74. im really curious a lot of people tell me that vampires arnt true then others say they are like my friend he is one and he is a good vampire so they are real

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  75. How did vampire truth become the copyright owner of this article? It was written a few years ago, and it was not written by this web siste. IF I were you, I would remove your fraudelnt copyright from this article, and provide the authentic copyright holders information upon it, or you are looking at potential plagiarism and intellectual property infringement charges. You can not just copy and paste someone else's work and stamp your copyright on it. Just telling your for your own good. It's a nice site, and I would hate to see it suffer as a result of such a oversight.

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  76. Darren, a copyright notice is placed on all articles submitted here. If the writer provides their full name then they are listed as copyright holder, if sent in anonymously then the articles/stories are listed as Copyright VampireTruth.

    We do not copy and paste anything from anywhere! All these articles and stories are sent in by our readers. This particular one was sent in by Chetan and when I check it with Copyscape.com it shows no copies anywhere else on the net. If you or anyone else should find a problem then I would appreciate your letting me know but there is no need to make accusations. And just saying it was copied from somewhere else without telling me where, or by whom it was originally written really doesnt give me any info.

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  77. I thought Lilith was a succubus not a vampire. Ive also read that many people believe she is the reason behind wet dreams and SIDS.

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  78. quite interesting!!!

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  79. the story is similar to "BLOODLINES" on how vampires existed have you played this card game?

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  80. You Know What If You Want To Know who is The Real First Vampire is. He Is Vampirys Creature Of Darkness whom Feeds On Both Humans and Animal's Blood and He is The One who Has Bitten Cain and Lilith and Gave Them Immortality and Powers.

    There are No God Or Heaven or Hell, But There has Been Vampires Just We have Destroyed Them and We Humans are a Lot More Worse Than Vampires and Demons

    Myths Of Vampires Fear of Crucifix, Garlic and Holy Water are 100% Lies , First Elder Vampires Could have Walk when Sunlight is and Dracula is Far More Powerful That He Cannot Die and No Stakes Or Sun Could Kill Him, Vampires are also Not Romantic Type, Who Ever Made This Review Is wrong

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  81. Dracula,

    Please for the love of all that is decent request to have your last statement deleted, it looks so foolish, you cannot even begin to comprehend what you are talking about. This is a myth or legend if you will, it is meant to explain what otherwise could not be explained at that time just like ancient Greece with their gods, you just have to accept that there are things in this world that nobody may ever see or know of in their lifetime, things that have been forgotten due to time or because it was forced upon people to forget. but you, you have made a statement of sheer stupidity.

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  82. there are many myths to vampires and in today's world books, and movies have market vampires has these great and wonderful glittering, subduction. But that's face the facts if vampires were real they would look what we call zombies, i have done many many research on this and look up a lot of culture history many of those myth 's all start the same talking about demons like for example Chinese culture believes that if someone dies and an animal like cat or dog jumped over there body that a demon would take over the body and the would be come a "vampire." i do believe the story of Lilith but a point, do i believe that their are vampires out there now, i would be nice to think but i would have to say no, its nice to dream that beings would be but some of us need to wake up and face the facts,

    The whole thing about holy water and places, garlic, wood stakes, are history facts of early Christianity out of fear that the church created, hell today if this was still going on we all be doom to hell, the Romanian church believed that if a person was born with a caul, extra nipple, extra hair, born to early, if a black cat crossed a mothers path, born with a tail, born out of wedlock, died an unnational death, or died before baptism, the child of a pregnant woman who did not eat salt, or who was looked at by a "witch or "vampire" were all doomed to be cast as a vampire, also the church would distributed garlic in order to see who didn't eat it,. Graves were often opend three years after the death of a child, fives years after the death of a young person, or seven years after the death of an adult to check for vampirism.

    but this is my point the persians believe in "blood demons" but it all goes back to demons and demons were created but a church that was all screwed up in there holy world to get people afraid of them and to take land

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  83. Okay freinds I have seen many interesting things written here both about Cain and about Lilith as for spme about the city Cain built. The city itself is mentioned and named in the old testement, in Genisis even. It speaks of Cain's city and says it was called Enoch after his son. Now as to Lilith although left mostly out of the modren christian bible, in old Hebrew lore she was indeed Adams first wife kicked out because she would not submit to him, well actually she fled to the Red Seed where she consorted with demons., and refused to return to Adam so Yewah created Eve in her place out of Adams own rib so that she would be more submissive. The only trace left ofthe two creation myths in the modren bible is the fact that in the first creation he fashioned man and women at the same time in his own image. Then later in Genisis it speaks of the seprate creation of man and women. Look it up its all true.

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  84. wikipedia says: LILITH; A FEMALE MESOAMIA N STORM DEMON ASSOCIATED WITH WIND AND WAS THOUGHT TO BE BEARER OF DISEASE.
    Just helpin out

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  85. The figure of Lilith first appeared in a class of wind and storm demons or spirits as lilitu, 4000BC.Lilith appears as a night demon in jewish lore, and as a screech owl in Isaiah. In the king james version lilith is the name of adams first wife.
    Lilith's epithet was "the beautiful maiden" she was described as having no milk in her breasts and unable to bear children.
    Babylonian texts depict Lilith as the "prostitute" of the Goddess Ishtar.
    Her house sinks down to death
    And her course leads to the shades
    All who go to her cannot return
    And find again the paths of life
    Proverbs 2:18-19

    Her gates are gates of death, and from the entrance of the house she sets out toward Sheol.
    None of those who enter there will ever return
    And all who possess her will descend to the pit.

    -4Q184

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  86. Genesis 2:18 "it is not good for man to be alone". He then created a woman for Adam, from the earth, as he had created adam, and called her Lilith.
    They immediatly started to fight. She was to be the superior one , and would not submit to Adam. They would not listen to eachother, she pronounced the ineffable name and flew away into the air.
    Adam stood in prayer before his creator `sovereign of the universe!' He said the woman you gave me has run away."
    The holy one sent these three angels after her. Senoy, Sansenoy, and Semangelof. "If she comes back willingly all will be good if not she must permitt 100 of her children to die every day.
    They found her at the red sea. She did not wish to return. The angels said "We will drown you in the sea".
    "Leave me !" She said "I was created only to cause sickness to infants. If the infant is male, I have dominion over him for 8 days after birth, and if female, for 20 days!"
    When the Angels heard Lilith's words, they insisted she go back.
    But she swore to them by the living and the eternal God: `Whenever I see you, your names, or your forms on an amulet, I will have no power over that infant."
    She also agreed to have 100 of her children die every day. Every day 100 demons parish, and for the same reason, we write the Angels'names on the amulets of small children. When Lilith sees thier names, she remembers her oath, and the child recovers.
    This was the story about Lilith being Adam's first wife. Very interesting stuff, just hold on and I have the other version as well.(After Eve)

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  87. ok . it all starts with God and lusepher he was the head angel an gods fav one day he got rebelliouse and apposed God any way God won and he sent lusepher to hell and one third of the angels went with him. those r your demons eve is the first women even her name sake states this is true . yes cain murrderd able and he was marked

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  88. hei all, i really found this site interesting...but one thing...is there vampires or not? nobody seems to know the answer. there has to be a starting point if there is a legend. all legends have starting points. and if there is a basis why is it only in certain countries? im from south africa and have seriously never heard of anything here.

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  89. The vampire legend has existed in various cultures since antiquity. In the past 250 years, the active belief in vampires has been generally confined to the peoples of Eastern Europe. ....if u want read folklore in south africa read "Speaking with Vampires Rumor and History in Colonial Africa" by Luise White..its quite interesting one....

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  90. That's crazzy about Lilith but I never of her any where or in the bible where the whole story of god is in. Even if there were vampires ill be ready to fight them anyway.

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  91. @ Michelle Maes~I'm Native American. One of our superstitions about infants is that spirits like new things and they will try to take your baby. So the superstitional thing to do is to poke holes in their shoes, so that the spirit will bypass them. It's really interesting to me what you wrote on 2/9/2010 and how that kind of runs parallel to our superstitions. So i have to wonder if that doesn't mean that in our own spiritual history, (BEFORE Christianity was forced on us 200 years ago. now it's kind of a mix between spiritual pagan ways and the bible) is that our equivalent to Lillith? Fascinating.

    @ Beckz. This whole thread is a discussion about ONE of the myths of the origin of vampires. Maybe there are others that go back BEFORE christianity?

    I think that the fact that the "myth" of vampires being a really old one, going back centuries, carries weight of it's own as to whether they're real or not.

    Even now though, within the last 10 years on animal planet and discovery channel, i've seen stories of people's accounts of finding animals drained of blood and a little or a lot mutilated in the process. Apparantly by the Chupacabras. I don't know what "cabras" could mean, but "chupa" in spanish is "to suck". Soooo...even NOW there IS something draining the blood of living creatures, to the point of death. I think maybe the great information manipulators are trying to steer it towards this little flying animal instead of letting people think it might be vampires. ???? who's to say?
    Something out there likes to drink blood. It's getting it. And farmers aren't very happy about it.

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  92. Lilith is also mentioned in Genesis. Chapter 4 verse 16 or 17, when Cain leaves Eden for the land of Nod to the east. So, the land of Nod is in the New King James bible as well. In Proverbs 30:14, it also mentions men with teeth as sharp as swords aka vampire fangs.

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  93. Vampire Truth AdminApril 6, 2010 at 6:57 AM

    We just published a very thorough article about Lilith at http://www.trueghosttales.com/who-was-lilith.php

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  94. wow thats realii cool iif lilith realli did exist

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  95. There's alot of talk about lilith and god and all other reiligious topics.But 1.if vampires do exist they dont want to be found. 2.Why does it matter if they are real or not it wont do you any good just useless information stuck in your brain.

    In the end none of it matters,so what if its cool it doesnt do you anygood!

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  96. The topic of it being"cool"... Here is an interesting approach. See I might be wrong, we all have our opinions, but when something is "cool" and being brought forth in a global since weither it be by hollywood or the nature channel doing a paranormal discussion/interview to the old farmer down the road that everyone thinks is crazy. Its all incircleing, all of us, with information that we can obtain and grow on and research for better understanding( I think this is called progress), or cognitave thought!? Becoming aware my seem scary to some but after the shock is over- the beauty begins. We are all different, in thought-in words-in our emotions. But we all are amazed by advancement and newness. :) we are creatures of curiosity and if this word"vampire" is a new "cool" word, then perhaps it is time to give it a closer look- maybe the vibs are reaching out and the information is leaking through for a purpose. I've noticed when the media picks up on something it is a bit before it that I get curious and focus on it. And then, we have months of conversation w all the "cool" new topics. So it does make a difference and it does matter and it does help. Because most of us are human under all the categories and that makes us curiose and desiring new things and new ways. So its not a bad thing to want to know about the "cool" thing. Its just curiousity and that's a very normal thing.

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  97. I saw a movie entitled "interview with the vampiere" then i was so interested to know something more about the vampiers.So its nice for me to read such a history of them.

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  98. i am still kind of lost. i don't understnad. why would god creat a creature who kills humans? wy would he creat that kind of torture? or was it the dvil who dreated such a demon!?

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  99. Vampire Truth AdminMay 18, 2010 at 3:47 AM

    According to the Bible God created all animals which would include snakes and spiders and wolves and many other creatures capable of killing humans. Even humans themselves are capable of killing humans

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  100. Of course the bible will only say the GOOD side of everything that's why not the whole world knows there was another woman before Eve, & God created all animals because if not then when the world had recently began he could have vanished what he didn't approve of.

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  101. vamipers are cool and neat to me

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  102. Hi Chethan

    Thanks for updating this article here... Most of them wouldn't have been aware of this at all. I like this subject a lot.. I am looking for more information on vampires.. Keep us posted if you have any such information.. I know that most of them wouldn't believe in them but we can't deny the fact when our own ancestors narrate it to us when they have actually experienced it. I know that they wouldn't lie..

    junior - How do vampires appear to be neat???

    Have a good night

    Lux

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  103. I have just looked at the site and enjoyed the article and the comments. It appears that Lilith was a Hebrew demon as described made from the same soil as Adam. The discovery that Lilith existed shocked a young woman student at Auckland University shaking her belief in Genesis. I am interested in vampire lore and stories mainly to study with a view to writing a thesis based on the ideas offered in Varney the Vampire. I would welcome comments and contact with others interested in the subject and with permission would like to link this site with my own.

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  104. Vampire Truth AdminJune 3, 2010 at 3:09 AM

    Hello James,

    Sure, feel free to link to us here. Also here is another very thorough article about Lilith - www.trueghosttales.com/who-was-lilith.php

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  105. The bible is full of hypocrisy. If you do not believe me, read it for yourself.

    First of all, God is supposed to be loving, caring, etc. etc. but yet, in Exodus, the whole time he keeps threatening to destroy Noah's people. The only reason he does not is because Noah prevents him from doing it. So, if he is really as caring as the bible claims, why does he keep threatening to kill his people if they do not follow him? It sounds a bit like dictatorship or a tyrant if you ask me.

    Secondly, in Job, it CLEARLY proves that Lucifer can not do anything without the permission of God. Lucifer wanted to prove to God that Job was not trustworthy, so he went to God and asked God if he could make all Job's crops wither. God gave him permission and Lucifer did just that. Job was still faithful and proceeded to make a living off of his livestock. Lucifer went back to God to ask him if he could prove Job's faith by killing off his livestock. God told Lucifer that it was permitted. Lucifer then struck down all Job's cattle with plague and they all died. Then, Lucifer came back and asked God if he could destroy Job's house and all his possessions, to prove if Job was faithful. God, yet again, told him that he could. That clearly proves that Lucifer cannot do anything without the permission of God.

    Also, Lillith was never mentioned in the Christian bible, but Hebrew people mention her as Adam's first wife. If people do research, they will come across Lillith as a Hebrew deity. The Christian bible leaves things out. Although, I do not blame the bible as much as I do the church, church officials, popes, ministers, etc.

    If you do not believe that the church is hiding something, look up the Rennes Le Chateau. Bérenger Saunière was a parish priest. As he was redecorating the church, he discovered a secret compartment in a Visigoth altar. In it, he found mysterious documents. When he took the papers to the church, they took the documents and he came back very wealthy, but never spoke of the papers again. After that, he started to make renovations on the church, including a painting that shows Jesus being put in the tomb, but in the painting, Jesus was laid to rest during nightfall instead of daylight, when the bible says he was put in his tomb. In the Chateau, there is also evidence that Jesus did not die on the cross like the bible states. This was where the whole Mary Magdalene theory came from. It is believed that the Catholic church started the European "Witch Hunts" to kill off the descendants of Christ. Saunière also made a sculpture of Jesus holding a baby boy, his baby. The secrets were so great that the once-pious Father Saunière turned to the Occult.

    Thank you for your time. I am not saying that these theories are true or are not true. I just want to open your eyes that the Church has always been hiding important information from us that they do not want us knowing. I hope this has opened everyone's eyes to the debate that has started on this forum.

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  106. Lexi, I was reading your comment with amazement.
    That's some interesting stuff in there. And i totally agree with you. Like.. totally...
    And.. yeah, Lucifer rocks, he's like... the best ;D

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  107. Vampire Truth AdminJune 30, 2010 at 3:53 AM

    Why does Lucifer rock and why is he the best? The best at what? How does he rock? like totally?

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  108. Vampire Truth Admin - He's like the best angel ever. Not to everyone - I mean, everyone else has his own angel, that Michael dude for example. Do you believe in guardian angel? I mean, if there are vampire guardians why can't there be guardian angels? ;D 'like totally' is more of a slang expression... awkward...

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  109. I am not Christian, so I do not worship such Deities like Satan and God. Lilith is considered a Wind Goddess by Pagan religions such as Wiccan and also by many different cultures that worship Feminine Deities. In Hebrew culture, though, Lilith was the first woman and left Eden. I am not Christian or Jewish, but I am well-educated in the art of Theology.

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  110. WOW, so glad I stumbled upon this website/forum. I've been reading non-stop since just after midnight and just wanted to give Kudos to all the participants in this discussion for sharing. After a good nights sleep I do look forward to re-visiting a doing LOTS MORE reading. Just wondering if anyone's ever heard or read the mention of vampires connection to a STRANGE inhereted disease called porphyria that was called "the disease/curse of the vampire"? Both my my mom and her father (papaw) have this blood disorder. After reading a geneological book of my papaws heritage I was shocked to find several of my ancestors with this as well.

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  111. It was the wonderful story but unfortunate i might don't understand it all.

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  112. the true story is first the demon just demon not lilith second Adam wives her name is Hawa

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  113. Coffins? Sleeping? I, myself am a vampire. I can tell you right here and right now, the myths about coffins, and slumber sleeps, and garlic, and sunlight are very untrue. We are normal human beings with a strike of vampyric genes inside of us.

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  114. You have the conecept totally wrong. We are not 'undead', nor do we live forever. It's merely a genetic virus passed down from generations and such. Before you start letting twilight get to you, DONT.

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  115. Everyone has their own opinions on things such as these. But i am telling you, i wouldn't meddle with things unknown.

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  116. Vampire Truth or MythJanuary 10, 2011 at 4:31 AM

    If no one ever "meddled with things unknown" then we would still be living in caves :) "meddling with the unknown" is what humanity is all about and is why we have technology, industry, food types, medicines, housing, science, astronomy and on and on.....

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  117. first of all the bible was written by man many times.....think about this...the bible does not say anything about dinosaurs, and if u thibk they r serpents u r wrong, a snake is a serpent, anyway there is prove that dinosaurs were on this earth some b4 all this god stuff come into play.....so if i were you i would keep an open mind about everything.....btw do u not remember science class how u learned about the big bang theory...there is proof of that too.

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  118. Vampire Truth or MythJanuary 18, 2011 at 3:34 AM

    Many dont realize what the word "proof" means. There is NO proof of the Big Bang Theory and there can never be proof. It is a theory. Theory and proof are not even close in definition :)

    The Bible does not say anything about paramecium or amoeba either. In fact it doesnt mention trout or turkeys either.

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  119. tsk tsk.. dont u know what ur doing is a sin? revising what is written in the bible or even adding some on it is a sin.

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  120. read THE LION, THE WITCH, AND THE WARDROBE by C.s. Lewis. The white witch in the story is half giant, half a decendent of Lilith

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  121. just for the interest of it check out donald barries book of the undead published in 1971 i believe it talks about imortality and people being documented to live to be 250 years old and up and the possabillity of becoming ageless the original book if u can find it runs 300-600$ but can be downloaded for $30 this is reply for darrstar and anyone interested sorry if any miss spelling.

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  122. so who was first her or Cane

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  123. wow this story is about islamic people. iam from iran and i know alots things about this. but they are different. so thanks

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  124. Wow! I believe in vampires but i would encourage nonbelievers from that!

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  125. wow jackie u have not had no response since 2009 i beleive in all types of not knowing sometimes u have to kick back other times not knowing what u do what do u say about not understanding everything u think that u see please be honest

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  126. you theory is correct please learn how to spell otherwise gifted

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  127. pleaae help me not knowledged enough somehow i get confused about what i read dont mean to be an thank you

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  128. i have a reply larger than life are u there to listen

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  129. ok trout and other fish are important to the human race to survive sometimes the human race is just stupid but we can not beleive one wrong makes two rights even thou your proof answer that one

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  130. Vampire Truth or MythFebruary 23, 2011 at 2:07 AM

    Well, if Lilith was before Eve and Eve was Cain's mother then what do you think?

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  131. Vampire Truth or MythFebruary 23, 2011 at 2:18 AM

    Do not criticize people for spelling! Look at you, your spelling is not perfect and your grammar is very bad so DO NOT come here criticizing others!

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  132. Vampire Truth or MythFebruary 23, 2011 at 2:23 AM

    I dont think you understood what I said (I am certain that I dont understand what it is you are trying to say though). My only point was that just because something is not written in the Bible it does not mean that it does not exist.

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  133. umm...the bible is full of information regarding angelic half breeds, giants and all sorts of other creature.

    What misinformation have you succumbed too?

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  134. note: Caine was worried about being killed if others were to come across him but there technically shouldn't be anyone else around.
    Just the descendants of him and his brother etc.

    This hints that there were "humans" around BEFORE Adam and Eve were cast out.

    THis also leads you to believe that those descended from adam, eve, cain and abel are in fact a divine blood line.

    Think about it.

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